Are you thinking of taking that one big scary action towards the life that truly inspires you? In this special episode, I invite my partner Chiharu to share about the leap he took in his life to travel and work abroad in New Zealand. We discuss the challenges he had, cultural similarities between Singapore and Japan, and how the leap paid off for him. Lastly, he shares his advice for anyone who wishes to take a leap in their life.
Xin Lei: Hey guys, welcome to today’s episode on taking a leap in your life. We have a very special guest for the first time, and he is Chiharu, my partner.
Chiharu: Hello, I’m Chiharu, I’m from Japan. Thank you for inviting me this podcast. How are you today?
Xin Lei: Oh, I’m good. How about you?
Chiharu: I’m great!
Xin Lei: Chiharu, no, I must thank you for coming on this podcast, because I know it’s not easy for you, right?
Chiharu: No, honestly, no. Yeah, because I’m still learning English.
Xin Lei: Oh no, but your English has improved so much since I first met you.
Chiharu: Thanks!
Xin Lei: Yeah, but the point of today’s episode is not about English, so don’t worry about that, okay? Because this episode we want to hear your story of taking a leap. And I think your story is so inspirational. That’s why I invited you. Yeah. So don’t worry.
Chiharu: Okay, I’ll try my best.
Xin Lei: Okay, so for those of you who don’t know Chiharu, he’s my partner, and we have been travelling together for more than a year. We met here in New Zealand, actually. We are both here on a working holiday, and we met at our first job at an accommodation. We were working as housekeepers in Lake Tekapo, which is in the center of the South Island in New Zealand. And it’s a kind of a very beautiful place, a tourist town. Not many people, like I think less than 500 people, right? So yeah it’s a very beautiful place and yeah we met there and had some very great memories there.
Chiharu: Yeah, we did. It was really nice time.
Xin Lei: Yeah. And we connected because we had similar values. We both like slow life, you know. Life there was slow and we like small things like enjoying nature. So we had a really great time there. And both of us are from cities so that was a very new environment for us. I’m from Singapore and Chiharu, you are from?
Chiharu: I’m from Kanagawa. Kanagawa is next to Tokyo. So it’s just a big city.
Xin Lei: Is it very crowded, like Tokyo?
Chiharu: Yes, it is. Pretty crowded. But I still love… yeah, I still love my home country and home city.
Xin Lei: Okay, yeah. So I think for both of us, coming from cities and landing in a quiet town, it’s a very, very big change. And I think back then, when we first met, we had a lot to share with each other about where we came from and why we came to New Zealand. And one of the questions I asked you was Why did you come to New Zealand on a working holiday?
Chiharu: Good question.
Xin Lei: Right? And I think I remember our reasons were very similar. Like for me, it was because I’m on this journey to unbox my life. I wanted to explore alternative options. You know, I wanted to challenge myself, grow and explore new options. I think your reason was similar. Yeah, so if you don’t mind, would you like to share with us why did you come to New Zealand on a working holiday?
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Chiharu: Why did I come to New Zealand? Because I wanted to grow more and more. Back then I was working in Tokyo, then I just did the same thing every day. Then I was missing something.
Xin Lei: Was your work in Tokyo?
Chiharu: Oh, I was working at Haneda airport as a baggage handler.
Xin Lei: Haneda airport, so cool!
Chiharu: Thanks.
Xin Lei: And how was your work like?
Chiharu: I was just carrying luggage, customers’ luggage, then just driving. It was a unique job and I enjoyed it but at the same time I was missing something. Like I wanted do something new.
Xin Lei: Did it have regular hours like from nine to five or something like five days a week?
Chiharu: Not really. I had shift work. I had morning shift and night shift and early morning shift or something. Then it was a bit tough for me.
Xin Lei: So it wasn’t regular?
Chiharu: Not at all.
Xin Lei: But did you have an off day?
Chiharu: Oh yes, I had day off, one day off or two days off a week, yep.
Xin Lei: Then what was the turning point for you?
Chiharu: Well when I was working at Tokyo, like I told you, I wanted to do something new. Then I started travelling in Japan. Then one day, I met Spanish in guest house in Yamagata, yeah, then I talked to them when we are having dinner together. Then they asked me why Japanese people eat lunch so fast. Like, they said when they visited Tokyo, they saw people eat really fast, like 10 minutes or 15 minutes. It was at that time, very normal for me, but from their point of view, it wasn’t normal. So then I was very shocked. Then I thought, this is what I wanted to know.
Xin Lei: Like this was the first time you kind of saw your culture from a different perspective, right?
Chiharu: Indeed.
Xin Lei: That’s very interesting, like the eating thing is kind of same in my culture. I remember in design school, I had this German professor, and he said that he can’t really understand how we just take away our food and then we eat while working. Because for them, they will just sit down and eat and take their time. But for us, it’s like Oh, we got to do work. Too busy, just gotta quickly eat.
Chiharu: Yeah, oh, and they also asked me that, Are you guys happy? Like we have a fast-paced life. Then I couldn’t even ask me like am I happy or not. Then, I was really, really, really shocked. Like, something inside me changed.
Xin Lei: Yeah, that’s so important, right? Like, are you happy? Then you’re like, oh maybe I’m not.
Chiharu: Yeah, then this is why I decided to come to New Zealand. Like, yeah, I decided to come to overseas. I decided to live in overseas to see how people make a living.
Xin Lei: Like how different life can be outside of what you are used to, right?
Chiharu: Yeah, these days we can know through watching YouTube, but I wanted to feel through my experience. It’s very different to just hear about it versus living it, experiencing it.
Xin Lei: So, was it just about the culture abroad in general, or is there any specific thing that you want to know, like for example, work culture?
Chiharu: Yeah, before I came to New Zealand, I put goals. One of them is that I wanted to work with non-Japanese. How do non-Japanese work. I had kind of a stereotype that Europeans are easygoing, like they don’t really care about details, but Asians work really hard. Yeah, that’s what I wanted to know.
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Xin Lei: And then you ended up with a colleague like me from Singapore, as well as a Kiwi manager. Yeah, right, our manager was Kiwi, and we formed a team, a dream team. Right, and speaking of work culture, I know Japan is known for very tough work culture.
Chiharu: (Laugh) Yes.
Xin Lei: Would you like to comment on that?
Chiharu: Oh, should I? Okay. Well, so our culture is that because I was rookie, or I’m young, so I had to follow my boss like what my boss said. Even if I work more efficiently than them, than my boss, I had to follow. I can’t, like, uh, it’s not allowed to suggest something new. Yeah, I just follow my boss.
Xin Lei: Yeah, a strict hierarchy, right?
Chiharu: Yeah, yeah, yeah, strict hierarchy. Definitely.
Xin Lei: Um, and do people work very hard?
Chiharu: Yes, we are forced to work hard. Otherwise, my boss will get angry. So we don’t want to get like, punished.
Xin Lei: So is the standard for work very high in Japan? That’s why you have to keep up to that standard.
Chiharu: I think so. Yeah, depends on the company, but generally, yeah I think so.
Xin Lei: Yeah, I mean, as an outsider, I’ve always heard that Japanese are very hardworking. And I see that when I met you. I confirmed that this is right. You were so dedicated to your work, you folded towels everyday.
Chiharu: Yes I did.
Xin Lei: And you made the beds perfect. Ah, those days… Okay, so you wanted to see how this could be different in other countries. Then, in order to do that, you got this inspiration from the encounter with the Spanish couple, like you said, and then you were shocked, and you really wanted to do something more to grow. So what action did you have to take to get there? You had to quit your job right?
Chiharu: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Xin Lei: Was quitting your job scary?
Chiharu: Of course, OF COURSE. Why? Because people around me didn’t do that. I’ve never seen, I’ve never met people who take a gap year, kind of?
Xin Lei: Hm, like career break.
Chiharu: Yeah, career break. That’s why I really hesitated. I asked myself, is this what I really want to do? What if I can’t make a living in the future? Because I was gonna take a career break. What if I can’t get a job again? Then, yeah, I was really scared to quit the job.
Xin Lei: I understand that. I think I can relate to that. I think gap years or career breaks aren’t common right, in Japan?
Chiharu: No.
Xin Lei: I think in my country as well. I mean, I haven’t had much working experience, but when I was a student, a gap year was totally uncommon. And I guess the reason why people don’t take it is, yeah, they are afraid that it will affect their employability. It’s just a very unconventional path, and there’s so much fear about it. But I imagine in Japan, I guess this fear must be quite strong because of certain, like the culture. What do you think people in general, what do you think they value?
Chiharu: Well, what do people think about taking a career break?
Xin Lei: Hm, you say it’s not common, right? Like, why is it not common? What do you think is the reason? If you were to look at your societal culture.
Chiharu: Hmm, I think because once we get a job, especially we can get a right to work in big company. Like, uh, basically we like to be stable. Yeah, we like to have a stable life. That’s why once we get a job, then we don’t usually decide to quit the job.
Xin Lei: Hmm. I heard there’s this lifetime employment thing in Japan. Is that how this mindset came about? So in Japan, back when the economy was at its peak right, the people, when they entered the company, were basically guaranteed that job for a lifetime. So maybe the past generation had this mindset to stay loyal to the company for their whole life. Is that still relevant?
Chiharu: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think that’s why it’s not really common to take a career break. Like it’s not really common to quit the job. It’s common to change a job, but it’s still not common to take a break.
Xin Lei: Like to find yourself or something, right?
Chiharu: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Xin Lei: Then because it’s not common, you just follow.
Chiharu: Yeah, because there’s no example around me, so I just push myself.
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Xin Lei: Do you think that people are afraid to do something different?
Chiharu: Yeah, of course, of course.
Xin Lei: Like you said, gap years are not common. Why do you think that that is?
Chiharu: I think because we’re just scared to take a responsibility for our life. Because of education, I think. Education. Yeah, the good thing is that we just follow what teachers say, what parents say, and what people around you say. Yeah, just follow it. Then, it’s easy to spend your life, right? Like, you don’t need to think about anything. It’s very easy. But once you decide to walk the path that other people don’t really walk, then you have to think about your life. You have to decide what you want to do next. Yeah. Then it’s much harder than like spending life without any… uh how should I say?
Xin Lei: Yeah, I understand. Like it’s just easier to follow others than to make your own decisions and bear full responsibility.
Chiharu: Yeah. That’s why I think most Japanese don’t have this mindset, we just want to be employees. Just follow, follow, follow, then get paid, then just follow. Even though we are not really happy, we just follow because we are scared to take responsibility.
Xin Lei: Wow. So when you graduated, how did you decide your career? And what did you have to do?
Chiharu: I think nobody thinks they want to take a career break. We are going to work until we are retired. Just keep working, keep working, keep working.
Xin Lei: Um, how do they decide their careers? I mean like, if they are just following each other, do they have much chance to find out what they really want and and go for that? Or are they expected to just be like everyone else? Like, how do you really find yourself and what you want to do?
Chiharu: Hmmm… not sure…
Xin Lei: How about for yourself in your experience? After you graduated, what were your thoughts at that time? What did you do?
Chiharu: To get a job? Ohh. Well, in Japan we have a job hunting season which is called Shukatsu. Like we wear the same colour suit. Companies ask us like What is your strength? What is your weakness? What is your personality? Hm, then we sell ourselves. We appeal like Oh my strength is like this. My personality is like this. Like I’m passionate.
Xin Lei: How did you get the job that you got?
Chiharu: Oh, I just got an interview, then I appealed myself. Sometimes we make a lie to get a job, right? Because we want to show ourselves very good person, right? Then yeah, we did it.
Xin Lei: How did you feel about that?
Chiharu: Oh like, it’s not me. And okay, even if I show myself truly, if company says like Oh we don’t hire you, then I feel like Oh I’m not accepted by society.
Xin Lei: If you get rejected right, that’s not a very good feeling, is it? I can relate to that. There was once I had to apply for an internship and then they made me do a test. It’s called a psychometric test, which is like a personality test but to assess whether you fit the company. And based on that, if let’s say you pass the test then they will contact you for an interview. Yeah but you know because I value being truthful and honest, I gave kind of very real answers and then they said Oh sorry like based on that you cannot pass through. Then that was when I felt kind of rejected for who I am.
And I know that other people will say you gotta know what they want and tweak your answers to fit what they want but to me that feels just very inauthentic and I don’t know maybe this is part of the the job search game but I do find it quite sad actually.
Chiharu: Hmm.
Xin Lei: But oh well. So it seems like the environment for the young people in Japan is that they are being pushed towards a certain direction, because of education system. And the transition to work is kind of the same. You can’t really be your individual self, right?
Chiharu: No, you can’t.
Xin Lei: And after you join the company, same? You have to follow?
Chiharu: Yep. Just be a cog in the wheel.
Xin Lei: Oh, cog in the wheel. I taught you that idiom. (Laugh) Then it must be super scary for you to quit.
Chiharu: Yeah yeah, it was.
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Xin Lei: So in the end, you quitted.
Chiharu: Well, like I just push myself. I ask myself, like I just imagine the last day in my life, I look back at my life, how will I feel?
Xin Lei: Oh, a very good exercise. Very good one.
Chiharu: If I keep doing the same thing every day, like, am I going to regret it? Like, am I not going to regret my life? Then I myself said, like, I will regret my life. So that’s why I decided, eventually, to quit the job even though I was really scared.
Xin Lei: You are very courageous. I’m so proud of you. So after quitting, were you still scared?
Chiharu: Of course, to be honest, I regretted my decision that I quit the job.
Xin Lei: Oh no! But you already did.
Chiharu: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Xin Lei: Then what happened after that?
Chiharu: Then because I quit the job, I had to come to New Zealand. Otherwise I didn’t have anything to do. Yes, that’s why I decided to push myself. Then yeah of course I had to buy a ticket to come to New Zealand but actually I hesitated to buy a ticket. You know nowadays we can buy a ticket very easily. We just tap our smartphone, fill our credit card number then give our information to the airline company. It’s just easy but I couldn’t do that. I postponed to buy a ticket twice or three times, like I put my information like my name or date of birth and credit card number then all I had to do was just tap to confirm… but I couldn’t do that.
Xin Lei: Really? What was going through your mind?
Chiharu: Um, cause I was very scared to come to New Zealand, honestly, because of language and culture difference, and New Zealand wasn’t familiar for me. So you know, like, uh scared to, how should I say…
Xin Lei: Fear of the unknown.
Chiharu: Oh yeah, fear of the unknown. Yes.
Xin Lei: Well, yeah, I relate to the thing. Like I didn’t know anything about New Zealand before I came here, except that it had more sheep than people. That was the only thing I knew about.
Chiharu: Me too.
Xin Lei: Right, but then it was that that made me curious to find out more. But the thing is, I didn’t have language barrier like you, because for me, English is my first language. So you know that’s why I really admire you because I heard that for Japanese people, English is something quite hard. So for you to come here even though English is not your native language…
Chiharu: No, not at all!
Xin Lei: It must be a very courageous decision. Hmm so in the end obviously you bought the ticket right?
Chiharu: I did. That’s why I’m here!
Xin Lei: When did you buy the ticket? When?
Chiharu: Oh (laugh), two weeks before I had a flight. Two weeks before I came to New Zealand.
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Xin Lei: Oh, congrats. So you said that you regretted it after you made the decision to quit the job. Then do you still regret it now?
Chiharu: Not at all. NO, I can say NO.
Xin Lei: Why?
Chiharu: Why? Because I’ve grown very, very, very much.
Xin Lei: How did you grow? What changed for you? How did you change?
Chiharu: Well, I was an over-thinker, obviously. Or you don’t know, maybe?
Xin Lei: Well, I kind of saw that when we were first working together.
Chiharu: Like, I’m a very typical Japanese, so I tend to worry about anything. And I tend to be an over-thinker and tend to be negative. Like, I couldn’t enjoy my life. I couldn’t enjoy working. I couldn’t enjoy… Anyway, I was an over-thinker, but now I’m easy-going and I’m more positive.
Xin Lei: Mm. I can attest to that just. When we were first working together I remember that you were pretty uptight about certain things. Like if you made a mistake when you were handling the customer then you’d just keep regretting it. Right? Do you remember?
Chiharu: Yeah I remember it. Now I tend to say like Oh should be alright.
Xin Lei: Yeah yeah, you always say that Should be alright, aye! You said you are more positive now and what else? You said that you now enjoy your life more, right?
Chiharu: Yes.
Xin Lei: In what way?
Chiharu: Hmm like since I came to New Zealand, my life became my life. Because I decide any decision. Yeah I feel like I’m living my life.
Xin Lei: Hmm you are now in full control of your life.
Chiharu: Yes I don’t follow anyone, I just follow myself.
Xin Lei: Wow, amazing! What do you think it was in New Zealand that helped you to grow to this? To make this change?
Chiharu: Mmm. Because I’m in New Zealand, I have to get a job otherwise I can’t make a living, I can’t earn money. Right? So I just pushed. No, I’m forced to.
Xin Lei: You’re forced to?
Chiharu: Yeah, I’m forced to get a job. Like, even after I get a job, I have to talk to customers. I have to talk to boss. In English. IN ENGLISH!
Xin Lei: And that was how your English improved so much! Because that time whenever you didn’t know anything, I was teaching you and you had to practice it. Yeah, it’s not just like textbook.
Chiharu: Otherwise, I can’t survive. A bit extreme, but yeah I push myself to survive.
Xin Lei: Yeah, that’s how you grow.
Chiharu: Yeah, and I’ve done lots of WWOOFing and HelpX. then I’ve been hosted by many host families. Then, like, you know, in New Zealand, chatting is very important thing — to keep talking, keep talking, keep talking. This is the most important thing in New Zealand, I think. Then, yeah, I’ve been exposed to this culture. So now I feel I’m good at small talk.
Xin Lei: Ah, yeah. Like your social skills, right? Like, because in Japanese culture small talk is not a thing.
Chiharu: No, no. We don’t even ask, like How are you? How was your holiday? Just say like Ah we’re going to start work. Ah, so annoying.
Xin Lei: Oh, that’s something I picked up as well. That’s why at the start of this, we were saying How are you? I’m good, how are you? We don’t do that in Singapore, but then we got exposed to that and picked up these things, right? Like how people communicate. Yeah, it’s very good. The Kiwis are very open and friendly. So we kind of get influenced by it as well. Yeah, so what else influenced you as well? Did the people here influence you in other ways?
Chiharu: Yes. I’ve been being recommended to have my own business. Like, in Japan, we just want to be employees, but in New Zealand, so many people recommend me to have my own business. Like, oh, you should do this business in Japan. Not everyone, but most people recommend me. I feel like Kiwis are more like they do what they want to do in their way. I don’t feel like Kiwis want to be employees. I feel they have more business mindset.
Xin Lei: More entrepreneurial yeah. Well I’m not sure about that, but from what I observed, they have a very strong can-do attitude. They will just do anything, like any work you ask them to. And this spirit is very good for creating a business. And I guess it’s also because they have a more individualistic attitude, right? So, less things hold them back. They don’t care about what other people think, like whether people are going to think they are a failure if their business fails or something. And this kind of risk-taking, um, go-my-own-way kind of attitude works very well for businesses. Right? So I guess that’s why we see generally that they take more responsibility for how their life works. And does this inspire you?
Chiharu: Of course, of course.
Xin Lei: So do you think you will want to do business?
Chiharu: Haha I think so. Like they don’t really worry about the future. Just do what you want to do. Why not? WHY NOT?
Xin Lei: (Laugh) You’re definitely influenced.
Chiharu: Yeah, I like it. That’s how I became easygoing.
Xin Lei: Yes, I can see that. So yeah, it seems like the environment helped you a lot, right? This shows that environment is really important. Because by the influence of your environment and also by the necessity of having to adapt to an environment, it’s really a very strong driver of change, of growth. But all this is only possible after you make the decision to change right?
Chiharu: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Xin Lei: You knew that this would be good for you. And now you benefited from that change in the environment. But it first started from making that choice, that decision. Yeah so like I’m curious if you have any advice for someone who was in the shoes of your past self. That means they were in that position that you were in. They know that there is something missing. They want growth. They want to explore what the world can be. They are curious but they are struggling with making that choice, that decision. Maybe it’s about quitting their job or maybe it’s about taking action to book a flight ticket. Okay, not necessarily have to be flying overseas or living overseas. It could be for any big change in their life. So what advice would you give them?
Chiharu: Well, just simple. If you’re curious, just do it. Yeah, you don’t need a big reason. If you’re curious, curiosity is just small right, if you’re curious just do it. That’s it. I thought I had to gain something valuable like a skill to contribute to society but…
Xin Lei: What do you mean, uh, skill?
Chiharu: Skill, like, um, because I was gonna get a job after I go back to Japan. I thought about it. Then, when I have an interview with a company, the interviewer would ask me that, Why did you get a career break and what skills did you get in New Zealand? But, why do I need to think about it? Like, why is it not good to just enjoy my life?
Xin Lei: Okay, I see now. Yeah, you feel like you have to justify your decision to take this leap, to quit your job and to go on a working holiday. And that, I believe, it’s because of conditioning from society. I think in Singapore it would be very similar. I think it’s just part of our conditioning that whatever we do has to have a pragmatic reason. It must have some sort of value to add to my resume or to contribute to the country or something. It’s very pragmatic right? Like we are not conditioned to just do it because of the value of doing it which is very simply to enjoy. Enjoying your life is like not a valid reason which is sad. Like why can’t we do that?
Chiharu: This is my life. This is your life.
Xin Lei: Yes, good words. Yeah, so you say that is good enough reason – Curiosity.
Chiharu: Yeah curiosity. But also, if you’re frustrated now whether you should take an action, I’ll say that you should take a risk as soon as possible because even if you make a mistake you can recover. Let’s say okay i’m 20 years old. Then even if I make a mistake, I can recover cause I’m super young. 20 is super young. If I spend one year in New Zealand then I’ll be 21. I’m still 21 right? Plenty of time. I will have plenty of chances.
Xin Lei: Yeah, and that 1 year can change the direction of the many many years that are ahead of you right?
Chiharu: Yeah and the worse thing is taking risks later. Just do it now. Life is short. We don’t know when we die. That’s what I’m telling to myself.
Xin Lei: You always tell that to me too whenever I hesitate to do something.
Chiharu: Well, if you’re gonna change your life you have to change action. I know it is really hard to break first wall.
Xin Lei: Ah, the first wall is always the highest right?
Chiharu: Yeah but well, I can say that after you break first wall, you can feel this was actually not the highest.
Xin Lei: Hmm, that means after you do the most scary thing then it just becomes less scary. Yeah if you look back and it’s not scary, that’s how you know you have grown?
Chiharu: Yes, absolutely.
Xin Lei: So now when you look back at yourself one year ago, do you think, like, whoa, who’s that?
Chiharu: Yeah, very different person.
Xin Lei: Hmm, different Chi. I am so proud of you.
Chiharu: Thank you.
Xin Lei: And now you did an interview in English! Would you have imagined that you would do an interview in English?
Chiharu: No, no.
Xin Lei: Would you imagine that you would meet me?
Chiharu: No. That’s why I recommend people who wanna change their life, we don’t know what will happen to me, even good or bad. But if you don’t take a risk, you can’t get a reward. High risk, high return.
Xin Lei: Oh, who taught you that? (Chuckle)
Chiharu: Well, I know like it’s really scary to take a risk but I’ll say everything is gonna be alright.
Xin Lei: Wow positivity man!
Chiharu: Come on! (Laugh)
Xin Lei: Oh yeah yeah, very good words. I’m very glad that you got the rewards from the risks you took.
Chiharu: Yeah, oh, can I say something more?
Xin Lei: What?
Chiharu: Like even if you make a mistake, you can get a growth. Even if you can’t earn big money, but if you take action, if you decided to do something different, you can get a growth.
Xin Lei: Like anything, even if it’s bad, even if it’s good, it is just experience right?
Chiharu: Yeah of course. Because I’ve experienced very bad things as well as good things. All of the things grow me well.
Xin Lei: So yeah, don’t be afraid to try to take a leap right? If your heart tells you to do it, maybe it’s pointing you to somewhere that will really, really help you grow. So.. wow. Thank you for sharing your personal story, Chiharu. That was very inspirational.
Chiharu: Thank you.
Xin Lei: So, for any of you listening to this, if you ever relate to us, like if you’re ever curious about what your life can be, more than what most people tell you to be possible, or what most people around you are doing, you might want to check out this free resource that me and Chiharu collaborated to create.
It is called Your Journey, and it’s a creative guide to help you reimagine your life. So it consists of some drawing and writing exercises to help you think about different areas of your life, like what you want to do, what you want to experience, or even what kind of legacy you want to leave behind, things like that. And you will also be able to kind of map out a journey of your life and different variations of it, just to brainstorm different options that you could be going on for your life.
And if you are ever thinking of, you know, taking a leap in your life but you struggle to do so, I have a coaching program called Out of the Box, and it specifically aims to help you overcome these barriers so that you can take a leap towards the life that you truly want to live that truly inspires you.
Yeah, so for more information on this program or to download my free resource, please go to my website at unboxin.life. You will find all the things over there. Yeah, so thank you so much for listening to this episode. I hope you enjoyed it. Then that’s all for today. I’ll see you next time. Bye bye!
Chiharu: Bye!
